Which phrase uses the correct conventional order of adjectives to describe a toy car?
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Practice Order Adjectives Correctly in 4th Grade Writing with focused quiz questions that help you check what you know, review explanations, and build confidence with test-style prompts.
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Which phrase uses the correct conventional order of adjectives to describe a toy car?
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Which phrase uses the correct conventional order of adjectives to describe a toy car?
Explanation: In English, adjectives that describe age come before color, and color comes before material. Here the age word is "new," the color word is "blue," and the material word is "plastic." So the right order is new, then blue, then plastic: "a new blue plastic toy car." The choice "a blue plastic new toy car" puts age (new) last, but age should come first. The choice "a blue new plastic toy car" puts color (blue) before age (new), but age comes before color. The choice "a new plastic blue toy car" starts correctly with age but then puts material (plastic) before color (blue), when color should come first. Only one phrase keeps all three in the correct order: age, color, material.
Which phrase follows the conventional order for Marcus’s toy car?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are new, blue, and plastic and the noun is toy. These adjectives are age, color, and material. According to conventional pattern, age comes before color and color comes before material. Choice B is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'new' (age) before 'blue' (color) before 'plastic' (material). This order sounds natural - 'a new blue plastic toy' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern age→color→material is conventional in English. Choice A represents material before color and age, which occurs when students think material should come first. The order 'plastic blue new toy' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where age (new) should come before color (blue) and material (plastic) last. To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase has the correct adjective order for Chen’s shirt?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are new, blue, and cotton and the noun is shirt. These adjectives are age, color, and material. According to conventional pattern, age comes before color and color comes before material. Choice D is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'new' (age) before 'blue' (color) before 'cotton' (material). This order sounds natural - 'a new blue cotton shirt' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern age→color→material is conventional in English. Choice A represents color before age, which occurs when students put adjectives in random order. The order 'blue new cotton shirt' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where age (new) should come before color (blue). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase puts the adjectives in the order that sounds natural in English?
Explanation: In English, when we stack adjectives before a noun, we usually put the number first, then an opinion word, then a color. Here the words are 'three' (number), 'pretty' (opinion), and 'red' (color), describing 'flowers.' So 'three pretty red flowers' sounds natural to English speakers. 'three red pretty flowers' keeps the number first but swaps the opinion and color, so 'red pretty' sounds backward. 'pretty three red flowers' puts the opinion word before the number, but the number should come first, so 'pretty three' sounds wrong. 'red three pretty flowers' starts with the color and scatters the words out of order, which does not match how we naturally say them. Try reading each one out loud—the correct order is the one that feels smooth to say.
Which phrase follows the conventional order for Keisha’s ducks at the pond?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are two, small, and yellow and the noun is ducks. These adjectives are number, size, and color. According to conventional pattern, number comes before size and size comes before color. Choice A is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'two' (number) before 'small' (size) before 'yellow' (color). This order sounds natural - 'two small yellow ducks' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern number→size→color is conventional in English. Choice C represents color before size, which occurs when students don't know color should come after size. The order 'two yellow small ducks' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where size (small) should come before color (yellow). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase follows the correct adjective order (opinion, size, age, noun)?
Explanation: English adjective order usually places opinion words before size, and size before age, so beautiful, small, old house follows the correct pattern. Small, old, beautiful house puts size and age before the opinion word, which is out of order. Old, beautiful, small house starts with age, which comes after opinion and size, not before them. Small, beautiful, old house puts size before opinion, which also breaks the usual order.
Which phrase uses the correct order of adjectives to describe a bike?
Explanation: The best order of adjectives is opinion, then size, then age. That means the opinion word "nice" comes first, the size word "big" comes next, and the age word "new" comes last, so "a nice big new bike" follows the pattern. One choice starts with the size word "big" before the opinion word, so it is out of order. One choice starts with the age word "new" before opinion and size, which breaks the pattern. The last choice starts with "nice" correctly but puts the age word "new" before the size word "big," so size and age are swapped. Only "a nice big new bike" keeps opinion, size, and age in the right order.
Which phrase has the correct adjective order for Chen’s shirt?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are new, blue, and cotton and the noun is shirt. These adjectives are age, color, and material. According to conventional pattern, age comes before color and color comes before material. Choice D is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'new' (age) before 'blue' (color) before 'cotton' (material). This order sounds natural - 'a new blue cotton shirt' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern age→color→material is conventional in English. Choice A represents color before age, which occurs when students put adjectives in random order. The order 'blue new cotton shirt' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where age (new) should come before color (blue). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase uses adjectives in the correct order when a size word and a color word both describe a ball?
Explanation: A big yellow ball places the size word before the color word, which follows the usual English adjective order. Yellow big ball reverses that order, putting color before size. Ball big yellow moves the noun to the front, which does not follow normal sentence order at all. Yellow ball big also places the noun in the wrong spot and separates it from the adjectives.
Which phrase puts the adjectives in the order that sounds correct in English?
Explanation: In English, when we use several adjectives before a noun, we say the size first, then the color, then the material. Here the words are 'small' (size), 'red' (color), and 'leather' (material). So the phrase that sounds natural is 'a small red leather bag.' The phrase starting with 'leather red small' puts the material first and the size last, which is completely backwards. The phrase 'a red small leather bag' puts color before size, but size should come first, so 'red small' sounds wrong to English speakers. The phrase 'a small leather red bag' starts correctly with size but then puts the material before the color; color should come before material, so 'leather red' is out of order. Only 'a small red leather bag' keeps the order size, then color, then material. Try saying each one aloud — the correct order is the one that sounds right.
Which phrase uses the correct order of adjectives?
Explanation: English adjectives usually follow the order age, then color, then material, then noun, so new blue cotton shirt is correct. Choice A is wrong because it places color before age. Choice B is wrong because it places material before color. Choice D is wrong because it places material before color as well.
Which phrase follows the correct adjective order (age, color, material) for a shirt?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are new, blue, and cotton and the noun is shirt. These adjectives are age, color, and material. According to conventional pattern, age adjectives come before color adjectives, which come before material adjectives. Choice C is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'new' (age) comes before 'blue' (color) comes before 'cotton' (material). This order sounds natural - 'a new blue cotton shirt' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern age→color→material is conventional in English. Choice A represents placing color before material incorrectly, which occurs when students think material should come earlier. The order 'a blue new cotton shirt' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where age (new) should come before color (blue). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase arranges the adjectives in the order that sounds natural in English for a bag?
Explanation: In English, we arrange adjectives before a noun in a natural order: size, then color, then material. 'A small red leather bag' follows this order perfectly — 'small' (size) comes first, then 'red' (color), then 'leather' (material). This is how English speakers naturally say it. 'A red leather small bag' is wrong because it puts size last, after color and material, which sounds strange. 'A leather small red bag' is wrong because it starts with material and puts size in the middle, backwards from the natural order. 'A red small leather bag' is wrong because it puts color before size ('red small' instead of 'small red'), which is a very common mistake. Try saying each one out loud — only 'a small red leather bag' sounds right to your ear.
Which phrase shows correct adjective order for Sofia’s desk at school?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are small, old, and wooden and the noun is desk. These adjectives are size, age, and material. According to conventional pattern, size comes before age and age comes before material. Choice C is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'small' (size) before 'old' (age) before 'wooden' (material). This order sounds natural - 'a small old wooden desk' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern size→age→material is conventional in English. Choice A represents material before age and size, which occurs when students put adjectives in random order. The order 'wooden old small desk' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where size (small) should come before age (old) and material (wooden) last. To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase follows the conventional order for Keisha’s ducks at the pond?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are two, small, and yellow and the noun is ducks. These adjectives are number, size, and color. According to conventional pattern, number comes before size and size comes before color. Choice A is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'two' (number) before 'small' (size) before 'yellow' (color). This order sounds natural - 'two small yellow ducks' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern number→size→color is conventional in English. Choice C represents color before size, which occurs when students don't know color should come after size. The order 'two yellow small ducks' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where size (small) should come before color (yellow). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase follows the correct adjective order for Jamal’s bag?
Explanation: This question tests CCSS.L.4.1.d: ordering adjectives within sentences according to conventional patterns. Students must arrange multiple adjectives before a noun in the order that sounds natural and follows English conventions. In English, adjectives follow a conventional order: opinion (beautiful), size (small), age (old), shape (round), color (red), origin (American), material (wooden), purpose (sleeping), then noun. While you don't need to memorize all categories, common patterns include: size comes before color ('small red bag' not 'red small bag'), opinion comes before size ('beautiful big flower'), number comes before opinion ('three nice apples'), and age comes before color ('old blue car'). This order isn't a grammar rule but a convention - native speakers follow it naturally because other orders sound wrong. In this phrase, the adjectives are small and red and the noun is bag. These adjectives are size and color. According to conventional pattern, size adjectives come before color adjectives. Choice B is correct because it follows the conventional order: 'small' (size) comes before 'red' (color). This order sounds natural - 'a small red bag' is how English speakers naturally arrange these words. The pattern size→color is conventional in English. Choice A represents reversed size and color, which occurs when students don't know color should come after size. The order 'red small bag' sounds unnatural to native English speakers because it violates the conventional pattern where size (small) should come before color (red). To help students: Teach the most common patterns for elementary level: (1) size before color ('small red bag'), (2) opinion before size ('nice big house'), (3) number before opinion ('two pretty flowers'), (4) age before color ('old blue car'). Create memorable phrase like 'OpSAShCO-MP' for Opinion-Size-Age-Shape-Color-Origin-Material-Purpose, or simpler for 4th grade: 'Number-Opinion-Size-Age-Color-Material-Noun.' Practice with familiar objects - let students describe their toys, pets, classroom items using multiple adjectives. Read aloud both correct and incorrect orders so students hear that conventional order sounds right while violations sound wrong. Watch for: putting color before size (most common error: 'red small' instead of 'small red'), putting size before opinion ('big beautiful' instead of 'beautiful big'), placing number after other adjectives ('beautiful three' instead of 'three beautiful'), random ordering without considering conventional pattern. Emphasize that while this isn't a strict grammar rule, conventional order is what sounds natural and right to English speakers.
Which phrase follows correct adjective order for Amir’s house on his street?
Explanation: When we put more than one adjective before a noun, English speakers follow a natural order. Size comes before age. In this phrase, 'big' tells the size and 'old' tells the age, so 'a big old house' is the order that sounds right to English speakers. The choice 'a old big house' puts age before size, which sounds wrong because size should come first. The choice 'a big brown old house' keeps size first but puts color ('brown') before age ('old'); the natural order is size, then age, then color, so 'brown' should come last. The choice 'a old brown big house' mixes everything up, putting age first, color second, and size last, which breaks the natural order in several places. Remember the pattern: size, then age, then color, then the noun.
Which phrase shows correct adjective order for Emma’s dog at the park?
Explanation: In English, we usually put adjectives in a certain order before a noun: first an opinion word, then a size word, then a color word. Here the words are friendly (opinion), little (size), and brown (color). So the natural order is opinion, then size, then color: 'the friendly little brown dog.' That is the best answer. 'The brown friendly little dog' puts the color word first, before both the opinion and size words, which breaks the pattern. 'The little friendly brown dog' puts the size word before the opinion word, so friendly and little are swapped. 'The friendly brown little dog' starts correctly with the opinion word but puts color before size, so brown and little are swapped. Only one phrase keeps the full opinion-size-color order, and that is the correct choice. A good trick is to say each phrase out loud and listen for the one that sounds natural.
Which phrase has correct adjective order for Yuki’s book from the library?
Explanation: In English, an opinion word (how you feel about something) usually comes before an age word (how old something is). Here the opinion word is 'interesting' and the age word is 'old,' so the natural order is 'an interesting old book.' That sounds right to English speakers. Putting the age word first, as in 'an old interesting book,' breaks the pattern because opinion should come before age. 'An old boring book' has the same problem: 'old' (age) is placed before 'boring' (opinion), so the order is backward. 'An interesting new book' puts opinion before age correctly, but 'new' does not match Yuki's book from the library — the sentence must describe an old book, not a new one. So the only phrase that both follows the opinion-before-age pattern and fits the meaning is 'an interesting old book.'
Which phrase has the adjectives in the correct order?
Explanation: The natural order in English is number, then opinion, then color. In "four silly pink kites," the number word four comes first, the opinion word silly comes next, and the color word pink comes just before the noun, so it sounds right. "pink four silly kites" puts the color first, which is out of place. "silly pink four kites" starts with the opinion and leaves the number four stuck right before the noun, which sounds wrong. "silly four pink kites" puts the opinion before the number, but the number should come first. Only one phrase lines up the words in the way English speakers naturally say them.